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Church Directive on Same-Sex Marriage Presents Utah Member Challenge

Utah -- Conservative Mormons are not taking liberal activist's recent grab to legalize same-sex-marriage in their state lightly; nor should they. And today, the Mormon Newsroom confirmed that The First Presidency and the Quorum of Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter-day Saints have distributed the following official directive to priesthood leaders throughout the United States, requesting that the information be shared with members:





On December 20, 2013, a federal district judge in Salt Lake City issued an order legalizing same-sex marriage in Utah, striking down century-old state laws and a state constitutional amendment that defined marriage exclusively as between a man and a woman. The United States Supreme Court has put that ruling on hold pending consideration of the issue by an appellate court. During the interval between the district court ruling and the Supreme Court stay, numerous same-sex marriages were performed in Utah. Legal proceedings and legislative action in some other states and countries have given civil recognition to same-sex marriage relationships. 

As we face this and other issues of our time, we encourage all to bear in mind our Heavenly Father’s purposes in creating the earth and providing for our mortal birth and experience here as His children. “God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth” (Genesis 1:27–28). “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God and is central to His plan for His children and for the well-being of society. Strong families, guided by a loving mother and father, serve as the fundamental institution for nurturing children, instilling faith, and transmitting to future generations the moral strengths and values that are important to civilization and crucial to eternal salvation. 

Changes in the civil law do not, indeed cannot, change the moral law that God has established. God expects us to uphold and keep His commandments regardless of divergent opinions or trends in society. His law of chastity is clear: sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife. We urge you to review and teach Church members the doctrine contained in “The Family: A Proclamation to the World.” 

Just as those who promote same-sex marriage are entitled to civility, the same is true for those who oppose it. The Church insists on its leaders’ and members’ constitutionally protected right to express and advocate religious convictions on marriage, family, and morality free from retaliation or retribution. The Church is also entitled to maintain its standards of moral conduct and good standing for members. 

Consistent with our fundamental beliefs, Church officers will not employ their ecclesiastical authority to perform marriages between two people of the same sex, and the Church does not permit its meetinghouses or other properties to be used for ceremonies, receptions, or other activities associated with same-sex marriages. Nevertheless, all visitors are welcome to our chapels and premises so long as they respect our standards of conduct while there. 

While these matters will continue to evolve, we affirm that those who avail themselves of laws or court rulings authorizing same-sex marriage should not be treated disrespectfully. The gospel of Jesus Christ teaches us to love and treat all people with kindness and civility—even when we disagree. 

As members of the Church, we are responsible to teach the gospel of Jesus Christ and to illuminate the great blessings that flow from heeding God’s commandments as well as the inevitable consequences of ignoring them. We invite you to pray that people everywhere will have their hearts softened to the truths of the gospel, and that wisdom will be granted to those who are called upon to decide issues critical to society’s future. (Source: Mormon Newsroom)

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I should confess, that being from California and having been through the entire Prop 8 saga, it is somewhat cathartic observing Utah's own battle to preserve traditional marriage when not only did the governor use his authority to say to liberalism within his own state not so fast but then to have the LDS Church make the most comprehensive, public statement to-date on its firm, doctrinal commitment to continue to stand for marriage only between a man and a woman; this time to include instructions to priesthood leaders throughout the United States on the legalization of same-sex marriage.

You might recall that in California when we had a similar-type "grab" my governor actually refused to do his job and instead assisted the cause! It's still shocking to me that he got away with refusing to defend the voice of over 7 million voters who in good faith went to the voting booth and exercised the greatest privilege and power within a free society (to vote) and allowed those votes to be totally disenfranchised; unbelievable!

But it got worse... No one in the state with legal authority stood up against such tyranny; enabled by an extremely liberal society with the aid of both national and liberal media. 


In that situation it was very difficult for conservatives to express opposition without, most, being bullied to silence - and with the eventual help of the President of the United States when he flipped on his commitment and personal belief to uphold traditional marriage; as a Christian, of course. If you recall, SSM at that time was legal in only a few states, and yet liberalism's broad, political influence determined that it was not politically correct to oppose it; nationally! 

Sidebar: (During the time I was writing this post, my great state, good ole California, announced that 'it' will honor the same-sex marriages that took place in Utah so that couples can apply for federal benefits; Google it.

Christians of all faiths, along with others who acknowledge moral absolutes are today referred to as "bigots" in the same fashion as were those who opposed the civil rights movement - and by the politically correct of today said to be " on the wrong side of history". Not for a moment have I bought that one and I hope you haven't either. 

The position that people of faith find themselves in currently is not motivated by hate, but rather has everything to do with putting love of God above perceived social justice within an ever-increasing immoral society. There's no question, whether you believe in moral absolutes, or not, that more and more people are pushing to live in ways never before considered socially acceptable, or thought to be 'good'.

The state of Utah and its citizens, predominantly faith and values oriented, are perhaps in one of the most critical positions (more than any of the rest of us will ever be), to defend, not only moral absolutes in society, but also freedom of religion; leaving a legacy by which future generations will depend upon. 

As children of covenant, we have a moral obligation to oppose all things contrary to God's will, even if it opposes our own ideologies. We also need to take seriously the important work to preserve the principle of religious freedom upon which this nation was founded. 

The right to Freedom of Religion, the first freedom in the Bill of Rights, enabled the gospel of Jesus Christ to be restored on this continent and, as prophesied, with the aid of technology is on a fast-track of being fulfilled. Each one of us, as members of the Church, are privileged recipients of the sacrifices made by those who have gone before us, in the blessing it is to worship and live what we believe to be true and in accordance with God's will. 

The question we need to ask ourselves is whether we will continue to stand or sit down in silence, convinced that the only reason we stand is to keep change from happening. If that's what you believe about why we make covenants to "stand for truth and righteousness in all things and in all places", perhaps it is time to understand who benefits when we keep our covenant to do so; even in the midst of a battlefield where friends and foes are dropping all around us.

My advice: resist the multitude of voices, wherever and however they come, be it friends, family, entertainment, social media, media, politicians, pop culture, etc., and even other Church members convinced that the battle for righteousness is over and religion, your religion, lost; now go home, shut-up and stop embarrassing yourself. 

Instead, continue to hold-fast to the words of Christ, which come to those who keep their covenants, thus qualify for the constant direction of the Holy Ghost - Who confirms all truth, which God has deemed to provide through personal revelation, scriptures and His Prophets; key to not becoming lost on forbidden paths. 

From ongoing personal observation, there is a clear connection between the vast majority of those within the Church who are in support of what moral liberalism advocates (some firmly believing that doctrines will change in order to accomodate SSM within the plan of salvation) and rejecting the counsel and direction of the Prophet on this matter; and others. I know I'm going to get flack for saying that and so be it. 

It's not difficult to see for yourselves that all active members of the LDS Church are not unified on the issue of SSM being oppositional to God's plan. However, that does not mean that those willing to stand with God and His Prophet are prohibited from acknowledging that fact and publicly. On the other hand, we are admonished to love one another, as God loves us. I believe we can do both and in fact, I believe that is one of the great challenges of discipleship in these last days. 

My personal example of how I am to stand for truth and righteousness in the midst of living amongst so many differences, everywhere, is simple; even if seemingly juvenile: follow the prophet, he knows the way.

And so, to my member friends and readers who live in the great state of Utah, take courage and make the choice to not be silent, but rather use your voice, now, in support of a living Prophet, who directs the affairs of the Church under the direction of our Savior.

tDMg

Kathryn Skaggs

Don't miss my 2013 year in review: 2013: A Year of Division, Liberalism and Hastening the Work!


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  1. I was particularly touched by this, "As children of covenant, we have a moral obligation to oppose all things contrary to God's will, even if it opposes our own ideologies." We have made covenants, those are serious things, we have to take them seriously, and the things we promised to do seriously. It will be hard, we cannot back away from it, however. I see so many people just backing away, staying silent. We still have to fight the good fight till the battle is done. Thank you for your great perspective and good words. I always appreciate your thoughts.

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    1. Thank you, Joyce.

      And isn't that the bottom line, after all the justifications used by members who oppose the position of the Church and follow progressive thought, it comes down to covenants. We either keep the covenants we have made to sustain the Prophet, to the best of our ability, or we don't. We either trust that we are led by a living prophet of God, or we don't.

      It can be hard, if we allow it to be. On the other hand, it should be viewed as a privilege to be trusted of the Lord; even humbled by it. And if we understand the plan of salvation, we will approach others with the kindness the Lord Himself would, as we stand for truth and teach it to those who will more than likely, at some point, embrace it.

      I honestly believe that, as members of the Church, we have been prepared to act in faith at this period of time and will be held accountable for either the difficulty that future generations experience in finding truth, or be held in great regard for our obedience to the Lord for holding up His light for future generations to see in the midst of continual moral decline.

      We stand for many reasons and having our way is not necessarily the goal. I think if more members understood that our obedience is not predicated on what others choose to do perhaps we would not fear opposing that which is offensive to God; instead of offending Him by our silence.

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    2. Yes, YES! I have always been attracted to the German Saints in the early half of the 20th Century. My own family stories, as well as those of others. Particularly, the stories of those Saints that lived during the Third Reich and WW2. Last night I was wondering why I have this interested, and I just figured it out ... because I need the example of their faith during that time, for the times I am living in. They kept their faith, despite the persecutions, the hardships and the things their government required them to do. We are living in similar times, I'm drawing a lot on those examples right now.

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    3. When one's opposition to a moral principle involves the legal rights of another, then I say tread carefully. One is free to oppose by choosing not to enter a gay union, and to support a traditional marriage by entering into one of those. But to advocate the abridgment of the rights of others because we disagree with their moral choices -- when their behaviors do not harm our legal rights -- is problematic. If Hindus (who believe that meat-eating is immoral) were to scare up a majority and outlaw beef, that doesn't mean the law they enact is in fact just -- especially if your enjoyment of a hamburger does no harm to their equal rights under the law. Just sayin.

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  2. Thank you! I will share your words everywhere.

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    1. Thank you, so much, Diane. I think that's the key to unifying faithful members of the Church to stand with the Prophet - they need support and encouragement from those who want to do the same. We can provide that support for each other and in doing so increase faith in Jesus Christ.

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  3. Truly spoken. I particularly liked the "children of the covenant" point.

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  4. My favorite part is that we who oppose SSM are entitled to civility. I am saddened by the recent patterns of thought of those believing that doctrine will change to accomodate this as well as other issues that have arisen this year. How important for us to hold to the rod amid the mocking and pointing fingers from those in the spacious building that has no foundation.

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    1. I really appreciate that specific sentence, too. Religious freedom and freedom of speech go both ways and sadly many no longer respect that aspect of civil discourse.

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    2. Have someone try to destroy YOUR marriage and see how civil you are about it.

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  5. Thank you for this. I am very glad for the churches stance and the letter sent. However I also firmly believe that now is the time that LDS need to truly understand the what, why and how behind the belief that Marriage between and man and a women ONLY is important. We don't purely believe these things as a matter of tradition; there is a very clear reason why we believe these things. The argument for equality is persuasive but it does not lesson the importance of why we believe in traditional marriage. Those who clearly learn the WHY of what we believe, regardless of their own personal position should be able to respect our position. The WHY is everything. The call for "equality" neither respects or understands the symbolic and eternal significance of this why or what, nor does it put it firmly in historical context of all religions world over since time began. Perhaps if we all understood the why and were able to firmly articulate it, we would not be moved by those wishing to change the definition. We would be able to respect all opinions and at the very least, we would learn not to call others who wish to protect the institution of traditional marriage, bigots. Those who think this is a fight about equality or call others bigots, have not understood at all the significance of traditional marriage and it is not an educated position. We must learn to explain better why we believe traditional marriage is important, instead of saying- it just is. I love your posts because it helps others to understand the why!

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    1. You're right, Elizabeth - we must understand the doctrine of eternal marriage and how that fits into the plan of salvation. From the Church's statement: "we encourage all to bear in mind our Heavenly Father’s purposes in creating the earth and providing for our mortal birth and experience here as His children."

      Too many members seem to forget that this whole human experience has been given to us, by God, to progress through the righteous use of our agency, and therefore it would not be in keeping with His plan for us to support, or ignore (be silent) anything that would oppose it.

      Thanks so much for reading this post and taking the time to comment. : )

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  6. Kathryn, thank you for your great and insightful post, and I'm enjoying the comments as well. Naturally I have a LOT of thoughts on this topic and they echo what you wrote.

    I don't know what will come of all of this within and outside of our Church membership. I do know that there will be consistent opportunities to either defend and stand up for our Heavenly Father's doctrine on same gender marriage or sit on the sidelines. As active LDS members of the Church, each week we make covenants by taking the sacrament that remind us what side we are on. Whenever we attend the temple, we are reminded of the beautiful doctrine of marriage between a man and a woman. It is so clear that this is the Lord's pattern on marriage. Every time I go, I find my resolve to stand a little firmer on the Lord's side of any issue:) I admit I am confused about how active members of our Church can support gay marriage or sadly say that they support everything else in the church but not the Church's stance on gay marriage. It's not just "the Church's stance" on the issue, it is the Lord's stance. And supporting gay marriage is directly going against the Lord and His doctrine.

    While I may not understand everything on this issue or how things will go from here out, there are some things I do know:

    I know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is founded on divine revelation from God and through God, we have a Prophet and Apostles who speak on His behalf. Because I know this, I know that what they say is really God's position and doctrine on this issue (and countless others).

    I know that every Stake Conference and General Conference, I have the opportunity to sustain them as prophets, seers and revelators. I know that either I believe this or not. If I believe it (and I do), it means I sincerely follow them and their words.

    I know that every two years I have two interviews in which I reaffirm my worthiness to attend the temple. This means I also reaffirm that I don't support or follow teachings, organizations or people that are “contrary to or oppose those taught by the Church.” This means
    I don't support things like gay marriage which is directly in opposition to what is taught by the Church and the Lord. It would take a lot of justification and mental gymnastics to answer this question if I supported gay marriage. Speaking for myself, I simply couldn't be a supporter of gay marriage and truthfully and sincerely answer that question and hold a temple recommend.

    Elder Russell M. Nelson in the recent October General Conference said something powerful about this issue, "One day each of us will stand before the Lord in judgement. We will each have a personal interview with Jesus Christ. We will account for ... how we honored God’s pattern for marriage and family."

    I know that one day we all will eventually pass on and have an opportunity to stand before the Savior to be judged on how well we followed Him and His church and His Doctrine. Ultimately, this is what this life is all about. The real test is whether we follow the Lord here on earth or not. And it will matter.

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    1. Amen.

      Angela, your testimony nearly left me speechless; beautiful.

      I want you to know that, for me, this is Zion: when two can feel so completely aligned with the doctrines, teachings and counsel revealed through those whom we 'sustain' as Prophet(s) of God; seers and revelators - and apply these things, as best we can, to every part of our lives, with childlike faith.

      I personally believe, that all those who follow such a path will become the Zion that the Lord is preparing for His return. I honestly cannot come up with anything more effective to gather His people, than allowing each of us to reveal ourselves, through personal agency, and so dramatically than the times in which we are living provide.

      Not only are individuals allowed to create a climate that enables them to to act out who they are, but also act out in opposition to the actions of others. The principle that men are to act and not be acted upon naturally creates the opposition within the world we must navigate.

      I am confident that this formula, at its fullest expression, not only brings about Zion but individual Exaltation, through the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

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    2. Thanks Kathryn! Zion, one heart, one mind in doctrine. I love that. And thanks for giving everyone the courage to stand strong:) It's nice to know we aren't alone.

      “Sometimes we become the lightning rod, and we must “take the heat” for holding fast to God’s standards and doing His work. I testify that we need not be afraid if we are grounded in His doctrine. We may experience misunderstanding, criticism, and even false accusation, but we are never alone. Our Savior was ’despised and rejected of men.’ It is our sacred privilege to stand with Him!”

      [Robert D. Hales, “Stand Strong in Holy Places,” April 2013 General Conference.]

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  7. Outstanding Kathryn, one of your best posts, sensitively written, reminds me of Alma, "being bold without over bearing" well done.

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  8. I was so happy to read your well thought out and composed post here, I agree wholeheartedly and would loved to have taken the time to compose something myself if I had the time at this moment . . . I'm so grateful for the official directive going out to all priesthood leaders . . . makes it a little difficult to ignore it and think they aren't talking to me! I'm happy to share this message . . .

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  9. I've had people say "If you don't want gay marriage, don't have one." As well as "Not everyone believes in your religion, so it's wrong to try and force them to adhere to your religious beliefs." To both, I have said that outside of religion, marriage is a social contract. When two people get married, the society they are in are saying that they accept this contract and view these two people as married and this being a benefit to everyone within the society. There are many limits put on marriage by society, some based in religion, some based in logic, some based in other rights, because it involves ALL of society. Saying "Well, if you don't want it, don't do it" is akin to saying many things should be legal (so long as it doesn't 'hurt' someone else) and the fact is as responsible society members we MUST stand against those things we believe are bad for society. No, I don't have to do marijuana, but no I don't believe it's good for society so I will fight against it's legalization. No, I don't have to have a gay marriage, but I don't believe it's good for society so I will fight against it.

    Yes, we have a right to fight for our religious and moral beliefs that may not be accepted by every person in this country... because we are part of society and believe these things to benefit the society we live in.

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    1. As I have, too. I consider such a position to be an example of the epitome in selfishness - to choose ignorance that what you do affects others. It is a lie and they know it. The light of Christ is within all, whether or not it is acknowledged, known, or completely disregarded. At one point, the choice must be made to follow it or ignore it and sadly many desperately want to shake it off.

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    2. the separation of church and state is one of my favorite choices the fathers of our country decided on. All things, develop and change. I guarantee there are parts of your religion you do not follow because it was deemed out dated. Letting people of color practice your religion is a complete change on what you once believed. I believe that people have the right to the same free speech I have but don't play the victim of religion card when you stand to dehumanize an entire group of people because you blindly follow beliefs of people from generations before us. I personally find it hard to understand women who don't believe in equal rights because it wasn't that long ago that women were facing issues of equal rights themselves. How quickly we forget. I personally don't believe that any God would want people to judge and attack each other to win a ticket to the promised land. I believe that God wants us to all stand up for love and accept each other even for things we don't understand. I would personally like to believe that i get to move forward into an afterlife where people who are full of love get to celebrate together. "fighting against groups of people" is no better than blowing people up for the "sake of religion."

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  10. We live in interesting times. The collapse and fall of Sodom and Gomorrah was not because of homosexuality, but because the cities sought to impose their sins upon the innocent. It is one thing to allow gays to have rights, as the Church has said is okay, but another thing to force all people to accept any sexual sin as morally good. It may be that the current events by a vocal minority may lead to the downfall of a very corrupt nation. Sad to think that Harry Reid and other LDS are among those leading the way to such a sinful nation. As you said, we need to follow the prophets.
    I also think it interesting that they encourage us to study the "doctrines" found in the Proclamation on the Family, which wipes out any doubt as to how the prophets look at the document. I hope they consider canonizing it, so it leaves doubters without any wiggle room.

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  11. rameumptom...where can I find the info about sodom and gomorrah imposing their sins on the innocent...this is new to me....thanks

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    1. If you read the story of those two cities carefully in the Old Testament, you'll learn that they desired things of the visitors of Lot and his family that were not ok to demand of anyone. Imposing their will upon others in a moblike fashion.

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  12. Kathryn, I agree with your comments, however as the prophet and Quorum of Twelve have also indicated, we need to exercise caution when we talk about "not being silent" many misconstrue this with being uncivil and other demeaning words. As I've said before in many of my blog posts - we are ALL brothers and sisters. We all lived together in the pre existence. We all raised our arms to the square when we accepted Jesus' as the one that Heavenly Father chose to carry out His plan. We all shouted for joy when Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared before a young Joseph Smith, thus ushering in the last dispensation and the gospel restored to the earth again.

    We must exercise extreme discernment when talking about such things in public forums especially when we use it in the context of "fighting"... "...lest they esteem thee to be their enemy". I firmly believe we can disagree with their ideals and show unfeigned love. "...for our words will condemn us.".

    These are just some thoughts on the top of my head. I have seen the hatred, negativity and contentions from both LDS and The LGBT. It is sad to me to witness such behavior. Yes, we need to enforce our beliefs but it's "all in the delivery" :) thanks again, Kathryn for a thoughtful blog post.

    Rick Graham (LDS Happy)
    www.ldshappy.com

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  13. I've been working to preserve marriage since 2008. This power grab in Utah by the gay community is the most egregious proof that their dogmas have nothing to do with equality and tolerance. I wish the governor and the church all the best in fighting against this encroachment of law and order within the state.

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  14. I just discovered your blog today and I'm so grateful for what you have to say. I don't usually comment on blogs of people I don't know, but I just had to comment here to say that I stand with you and absolutely agree with everything you had to say about the issue. How grateful I am for a prophet to guide us in these latter days! Thank you for putting your voice out there to strengthen us all.

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  15. Thank you so much for your comments on this issue. I just had a long discussions with a member who lives in Utah and was questioning the Church's stand where same sex marriage is concerned. I am going to share this with her since I think you answered all of her questions beautifully!

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  16. Wow, great post! I too am from California, and worked hard to pass prop 8 . Our votes were ignored. It was a sad day for democracy

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  17. I've recently seen links to your blog in my news feed on facebook and I have to say the name of your blog puts a bad taste in my mouth. I think the content of your website is absolutely respectable, it is well thought out and well written, but the name "well behaved Mormon Woman" makes me uncomfortable.

    Just seeing the link in my news feed, before I looked at your blog, the impression it gives it is one of oppression. You're not just a Mormon woman, or a devout Mormon woman you are "well behaved". In my mind that label detracts from your strength and individuality. It makes it seem as though someone is in charge of you- almost like a teacher giving you stars for being "well behaved" or demerits for "poor behavior". (I suppose it could be God minding you)

    The other impression it gives is of arrogance, I have to say. That you, unlike other Mormon women, are well behaved. It makes it seem that you are a Mormon of extra merit.

    I'm am in no way trying to be hateful, I admire the work you put into this website, but I just thought you should be aware of the impression the name of your blog is capable of giving.

    Thanks, Hailey

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  18. I served as a sealer in the San Diego Temple, and I see some things a little differently than you do. I would be very interested to have a discussion with you about some of the points you've made here. Would you be willing to do that?

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  19. Not to put words in the mouths of the prophets, but let's be completely honest here, everyone. What we mean to say is that marriage is ordained of God to be between one man and one or two or three or four women, and so on and so on--because even if we don't openly practice polygamy, we still believe in it and a man can be sealed in marriage to multiple women in the temple over his lifetime if he is widowed. Ergo, isn't it correct to say, "We believe marriage is ordained of God to be between one man and three to seven women."?

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  20. Do any of your posts NOT revolve around your fear and hatred of same sex marriage? Do you honestly not have anything better to do with your time then sit behind your computer trying to spread your hateful and judgemental beliefs throughout the Internet? It is sad to see the world through your homophobic eyes, picking everything around you apart to support your outdated and hurtful ideals. I hope you live a very sad and lonely life devoid of any love because that is what you are so forcefully wishing on the gay community. They are good people, and deserve to love and be loved. Awful, closed minded and hateful woman like you DO NOT.

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  21. Ah yes, now come the ad hominem attacks and foul language - the first defense of liberal ideologues.

    Those who support same sex marriage cannot see that their arguments are based on false and immoral premises. Their dogmas tear at the very fabric of society by redefining the institution of marriage, by neutering the male and female relationship, by insisting marriage is all about the adults, and by promoting immoral action.

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  22. Enjoy your writing........ most soporific. Gonna ditch my sleeping pills.

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  23. Your writing creates the most wonderful soporific feeling. Who needs sleeping pills

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  24. I can only imagine how painful it would be to your child or grandchild and know I was gay. If 5-10% of the population is gay, I'd say there is a very good chance one of your progeny is or will turn out to be a homosexual. I hope they have the strength to endure your hatred and bigotry without causing themselves psychological or physical harm. I have helped too many gay teens who were suicidal due to the pain caused by their bigot families.

    I take comfort in knowing that you're on the wrong side of history. The day will soon come when being gay is a non-issue in society as a whole, and gay and straight people and couples will be afforded equality under the law. It is just a matter of time. I only hope it happens in your lifetime.

    Whether in life or in the afterlife, you will reach a point when you realize just how wrong you were.

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  25. Identity politics is an ideology based on the socialist concept of class oppression and the uprising of the proletariat. With regard to homosexuality, identity politics replaces class struggle with the politics of sexual preference.

    For example, the arguments based on identity politics claim analogy with racial identity, which is a false analogy. Sexual preference is not race, nor does same sex attraction and subsequent homosexual activity correlate to race. Yet, because both reside within the same category of identity politics, same sex marriage advocates use the language of of the civil rights movement to condemn anyone who disagrees with their ideology based on immoral principles.

    The idea of same sex marriage is ideologically driven, based on self-identified same sex attraction, and manifested in homosexual behavior. In a nutshell, while same sex attraction may or may not be inborn, the outward expression of sexual preference is a moral question and not a question of innate consequence, nor is sexual preference a civil right.

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    1. It's sad seeing a person like yourself writing about identity politics when you have absolutely no idea what it means to be gay. Until you can walk in our shoes I would suggest you get to know some of us and talk to us and learn about us as opposed to acting as though we are some kind of enemy which we are not.

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    2. You presume that I have done none of these things, merely because I disagree with the dogmas of identity politics. You have committed the exact same error you accuse me of.

      While same sex attraction may or may not be inborn, the outward expression of sexual preference is a moral question and not a question of innate consequence, nor is it a civil right. The same is true of the outward expression of heterosexuality as well.

      Here are some examples to illustrate the differences:
      Being black is not a moral question. Being a black activist is.
      Being a woman is not a moral question. Being a pro-abortion feminist is a moral decision.
      Having sexual feelings is not a moral question. The media's hypersexualization of teens is.
      Having same sex attraction is not a moral question. Preaching an ideology based on sexual preference in order to change the definition of marriage is.
      Like it or not, homosexual behavior (not same-sex attraction) crosses the social boundaries of moral custom and moral behavior. To claim homosexual behavior is akin to race or gender is to propose a false analogy. There is no such thing as equality of morality. Yet gay activists will insist that their particular moral ideal must be the only valid moral standard and therefore must be protected by law.

      This is not a question of fairness or equality. This is a question of moral dictatorship - the exact same problem gay activists accuse religious conservatives of having. It is a misguided ideal at best and duplicitous power-mongering at worst.

      This is no longer a private matter of same sex attraction and private sexual preference. Gay activists have turned their ideology into a public desire to impose legally their version of morality.

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  26. for those of you LDS commenters and to Kathryn: I sincerely wonder about this issue as it appears to me to have more than a few similarities with our great country's civil rights movement of the 20th century. During the first century of the LDS church, black people were not permitted, am I correct? But within a decade or so of the US civil rights movement, that position of the LDS church was reversed...how can that be? Is it the word of the lord or the words of men who dictate your teachings?

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  27. and also the official renunciation of polygamy in 1890 when civil laws in the US were going to prosecute polygamists. Same thing. It's either 'god's law' and you don't abandon it to suit the civil law of the land, or it's man's law and can be bent to suit the law of the land. not both. Claiming something is god's law and then flipflopping on it doe seem to imply it's bendable when convenient....

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  28. What about the 12th Article of Faith, which I am sure you know but just in case: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." If a law is passed, then according to this article of faith, you are bound to abide by and uphold that law even if you don't agree with it.

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